posted 02-09-2000 02:24 PM               

Thankyou, ReformedRobotMan, now I can be Reformed too.

But Bizunth's being very naughty.

posted 14-09-2000 07:58 PM               

I have been waiting to get at the very least a reply from one of you. To hear where you think this is going, trust me, this is going to be highly interesting, the connections are going to be astounding.

Oh, and another website that will be in your interest:
www.thinktwice.com

posted 16-09-2000 07:06 PM               

I had at east hoped that there would be a single one among you lot that could connect the dots.

Herne, the site isn't about changing your diet, it merely provides a service for those who wish to do so.

Have you read the damn articles? Checked the scientific evidences backing it up?

Herne, wouldn't you say that information detailing why your mother caught x-disease is essential? Would she have changed her diet with this knowledge? It is doubtful, because we're all junkies, craving some certain substances from food.

posted 17-09-2000 06:40 PM               

Oh ReformedRobotMan, what else should I have expected from a lot raised on shit and looking it all the while.

Smelly breath and runny bowels? One or two facts smothered in scads of bollocks? The fact that it doesn't work properly in Netscape makes you dubious?

Yes. yes, yes you're all right. This is bullshit that the people behind it has been working on in innumerous years, who have gone online with this as a preparation to What Comes Next.

posted 17-09-2000 11:10 PM               

If there is something that have authoritative claims to know (or in many cases: not know) the causes of diseases it is the governments around the world coupled with the food industries, and this has gone on longer than some would wish. Including me.
And most of this has been known for many years by some people, with no efficient way of sharing the information. Suppose the waisays site does indeed have the facts straight, why would the gov's and food industries allow so many people to deteriorate? To weaken to the point of deviation? And why are they still actively pursuing other people in other countries to get addicted to their products? I mean, if it was just about economy, I wouldn't give a tosser.
And I strongly believe that to counterbalance some wrongs, you have to be fiercer (because of the massive scale at the opposite side) so I approve of the way wai has conducted her business.

The reason why I posted the message here is not coincidental and purposeless. Among you who are reading these, there exists an extraordinarely gifted individual, whose impact on this world will be tremendous, but doesn't fully know it yet.

posted 17-09-2000 11:30 PM               

My point was that no one viewpoint 'has the facts straight' - 'disease' is not that straightforward an entity. I'm medically trained, many would say I've bought into the medical orthodoxy. I too can produce plausible jargon, sound authoritative, patronising, rude or even 'mystical'. I can make equally heartfelt claims to 'explain' the 'cause' of disease, and I can make specific recommendations based on my own extensive reading of a different (but equally 'authentic') set of journal articles.

Would what I said be valid - or would I merely be acting as a mouthpiece for a global medico-pharmaceutical conspiracy?

I certainly wouldn't argue that food industries don't have a vested interest in selling their product to as much of the world's population as possible. I'd also agree that 'feeding the world's starving' is largely hampered by the human tendency to be greedy, irrational and self-serving.

Two and two, however, do not make twenty-three. The medical orthodoxy has much to recommend it (like vaccination, in my opinion); be wary of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

posted 18-09-2000 12:03 AM               

And yeah, it's useful to consider evidence from any and all sources - but it should always be evaluated as critically as possible. Your blithe (and increasingly opaque/mystical) statements about 'the facts' are little different from me saying 'trust me, I'm a doctor'...

posted 18-09-2000 11:56 AM               

But to seriously suggest that food and pharmecuetical companies are conspiring, with government approval, to give us all cancer, Parkinson's, heart disease etc is beyond credibilty. Why would they? They have to eat it too. Or maybe they have the cure.

I have been living on a diet of poison for ages, and recognise it, and am in the process of sorting all kinds of shit out in my life. I am, honestly, grateful to you, RRM for pointing me to this site and its suggestions. But don't expect my gratitude to extend to buying the ideology or taking the bait of your "I know what Will Happen Next, but you Are Not Ready," line of bullshit.

posted 18-09-2000 12:45 PM               

<<The reason why I posted the message here is not coincidental and purposeless. Among you who are
reading these, there exists an extraordinarely gifted individual, whose impact on this world will be
tremendous, but doesn't fully know it yet. >>

posted 18-09-2000 04:31 PM               

Yes you would Ganeth, you, the psychiatrist, would.

Sorry for the delay, I was having my sensous beauty sleep and was later on detracted from the www-life I have assumed.

Ganeth, people in your profession have spread mistrust and misinformation, advisinf and 'curing' people with problems and diseases, acting as local officials in the medical field over a herd, let's give a very short, loud applause right now, people, but wait...Has medical science minimised the abundant harmful and useless alternative paths?
Behold the strong increase of diseases in the past years, likewise with the increase of members of pseudolifestyles and the use of pseudopharceuticals.
And two very confused questions to you Ganeth (and everyone else): why would the medical field still search for pharmaceutical cures when the information about food has been around for ages? Why don't the medical field inform people about all of this?

Why are we perpetually told to consume more of food that has all of these undesired effects? How can the dumbing down of people by feeding them formula milk in their infancies still be allowed to exist? In whose interest is it that the human race is mutated into something piss-ass inferior?
See, these are some of the questions that we'll be able to answer to the ones willing to listen and learn, and I know that there is at least one among you. And as for me pissing off people with my great sales-techniques, it's not what we're about, we are not 'selling' and, sure, we want people exposed to the site and decide for themselves, or as I see it: the natural selection process, where the weaker, brainwashed opioid junkies fuck off into their selfmade mediocre hell. But this 'exposition' part, Ganeth, where would you ever find a forum, but the internet, where they'd be willing to make available The Truth? TV-paid for by the government/ large companies with ties to food companies with ties to the governments. Newspapers-paid advertisement by large companies with ties to etc., owned by large companies with ties to etc. Radio? And because of the sheer scope of the World Wide Web and with the restrictions that waisays has encountered, do you think that the availability is tops?
As I stated before, if the repression of the info was only out of economy preservation, I wouldn't have cared, but there are evil things going on, my intial promise of elevating this all into Invisibles-style conspiracies (perhaps Grant, the magician, wrote all this into existence, oh, how I'd love to damn him if not his stories were so entertaining) is not an empty one, nor is it undocumented. Just not now.
Oh, and Ganeth? Never ever insinuate that I'm veering off into mystical pseudobabble, and if I seem to do that, I do so outside the medically documented info inside both sites.

posted 18-09-2000 04:53 PM               

Secondly, 'disease' is not a single entity which can be 'cured' solely through dietary manipulation or by refusing vaccination. Those working within the field of medical science continue to push for pharmaceutical remedies (amongst others) because there are many, many areas where the more 'orthodox' remedies are extremely effective.

posted 18-09-2000 04:56 PM               

Wai's website! The anti-vaccination one, however, I'm not so keen on.

posted 19-09-2000 07:01 PM               

It must be hard with such an unyielding, disagreeing bastard such as me making your piss boil. And don't try to deny what I've written before, you go to great pathetic lengths to maintain some Beautiful Sentiments but I'll never comply to lies. I can keep on repeating myself but I'm sure I don't have to at the moment.

And it is not a Messiah, you girly trash, it is an ordinary human being who has the ability to make people dream of more.

posted 19-09-2000 07:11 PM               

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Originally posted by ReformedRobotMan:
And it is not a Messiah...., it is an ordinary human being who has the ability to make people dream of more.

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Er, isn't that pretty much everyone? The beauty of dreams is that we've all got them, and we can all inspire them. The imagination is not a realm of the elite.

I did have a number of comments to make regarding the sites you mentioned (dietary correlations with the eating patterns of professional ballet dancers and the recent debate of whether it is worthwhile for a pharma company to continue research on a Herpes vaccine that will only benefit women), but honestly, unless you're interested in carrying on a rational discussion rather than shit-flinging like a cranky monkey, then there doesn't seem to be much point.

posted 19-09-2000 07:33 PM               

RRM, even if you are correct...

posted 19-09-2000 07:35 PM               

quote:

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Originally posted by betty woo:
dietary correlations with the eating patterns of professional ballet dancers

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I have seen Darcy Bussel's lunchbox. Nothing but Marlborough Lights and tissues. How can that be unhealthy?